<div dir="ltr"><br><div> Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div> As Michael, I am also concerned about "<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">minimum-clade definition with multiple </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">external specifiers,<span> </span></span><strong style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">including</strong><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>those used in qualifying clauses</span>".</div><div><br></div><div> As I understand it, external specifiers will appear in minimal clade definitions only as qualifying clauses. So the "including", and even the "specially" proposed by Michael, would be inappropriate.</div><div><br></div><div> If I am missing something here, disregard my note, if not, we should rephrase this part of the text.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div> Two other points:</div><div><br></div><div> 1 - In "<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black;background:white">(only
the “and” operator would normally be used in definitions employing multiple
internal specifiers)</span></b>". Is this more clearly stated in another part of the Code? </div><div> As above, if we are using "normally", we should explain the exceptions,
<span style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">perhaps </span>providing examples of cases where this does not apply, i.e. where “or” operator is used in the definition of multiple internal specifiers.</div><div><br></div><div> 2 - In both total- and crown-clades where it is written: "<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If this kind of definition is used and “extant” is intended
to mean anything other than extant on the publication date of the definition</span>".</div><div> My concern is that the definitions do not normally include the word "extant", they just mention the specifiers (extant or not). So, where would this information appear?<br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">
</div><div><br></div><div> This seems not to be an issue when the definition explicitly states that it applies a total/crown clade (but see below).</div><div> Yet, a definition using a Dodo will not be implicitly crown/total unless it is stated somewhere that such specifier was extant "<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">at a particular time in human history</span>
". Again, where should this information appear?</div><div><br></div><div> BTW, what happens if a total/crown clade is defined <b>explicitly stating that is applies a
<span style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">total/</span>crown clade</b>, but than include "pre-historic" taxa as specifiers? </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> Sorry to bring all these issues. Forget them if they were already discussed prior to my enrolment in the CPN.</div><div><br></div><div> max</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-06-18 12:58 GMT-03:00 Cantino, Philip <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu" target="_blank">cantino@ohio.edu</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear CPN members,<br>
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Kevin and I are proposing the attached additions to Article 9 to clarify points of confusion that we became aware of in the process of editing Phylonyms contributions. These are probably the last changes in the code that we will propose before the manuscript is finalized. <br>
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If you have comments or questions, please send them to the listserv by June 30. If there is no ongoing discussion at that point, I will call for a vote. Please do not vote yet, in case there is discussion before June 30.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Phil<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">Max Cardoso Langer Ph.D. (Bristol, UK) <br>Departamento de Biologia <br>Faculdade de Filosofia, Ciencias e Letras de Ribeirao Preto <br>Universidade de Sao Paulo (USP) <br>Av. Bandeirantes 3900 <br>14040-901 Ribeirao Preto, SP, BRAZIL <br><br>Phone: +55 16 3315 3844 <br>FAX: +55 16 3315 4886 <br></font><a href="http://sites.ffclrp.usp.br/paleo/" target="_blank"><font color="#3333ff" face="tahoma,sans-serif">http://sites.ffclrp.usp.br/paleo/ </font></a><br><br><em><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"></font></em><div><em><div><em style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><div style="display:inline!important"><div style="display:inline!important"><em><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><div style="display:inline!important"><div style="display:inline!important"><br></div></div></font></em></div></div></font></em></div></em><div><em><em><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><div style="display:inline!important"><div style="display:inline!important"><em><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><div style="display:inline!important"><div style="display:inline!important">A <b>semântica</b> é o último refúgio dos canalhas</div></div></font></em></div></div></font></em><em><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><div style="display:inline!important"><div style="display:inline!important"><em style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><div style="display:inline!important"><div style="display:inline!important"><em style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><div style="display:inline!important"><div style="display:inline!important"><em style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><div style="display:inline!important"><div style="display:inline!important">.</div></div></font></em></div></div></font></em></div></div></font></em></div></div></font></em></em><br></div></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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