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<div>I just wanted to second David's sentiment and really hope that in future we will better recognize the need and clear benefits of a more radical approach toward species nomenclature in a phylogenetic framework. I also appreciate some of the recent compromises
but I can't help feeling the overall disappointment. </div>
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<div>On Apr 24, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Cantino, Philip wrote:</div>
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<div>I am forwarding a message from David Baum regarding the CPN decisions on the proposal that he co-authored with Nico and Brent Mishler.</div>
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<span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Date:
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<span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Cc:
</b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Nico Cellinese <<a href="mailto:ncellinese@flmnh.ufl.edu">ncellinese@flmnh.ufl.edu</a>>, Brent Mishler <<a href="mailto:bmishler@berkeley.edu">bmishler@berkeley.edu</a>><br>
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<div>Thanks for letting us know the outcome. While I am obviously disappointed that our proposal was rejected, there are some positive changes. For example, I am happy that it is more explicitly allowable to name clades at or below the species rank ("When
defining the names of low-level clades that coincide with or overlap the boundaries of species"). It is too bad that you retained the prohibition on using a species epithet as a clade name and stuck to your guns on homonymy, but I am sure that you and other
members of the committee thought carefully about our proposal and arrived at the decision that you honestly believe to be most in keeping with the principles of phylogenetic nomenclature. I thank you for that, even though I remain unconvinced that this approach
will ultimately yield the best outcome for phylogenetic nomenclature.</div>
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<div>Best wishes,</div>
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<div>Sincerely,</div>
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<div><font class="x_Apple-style-span" face="Arial">The CPN has finally finished addressing the proposal that you sent us in October, 2011. I apologize for the length of time it took us to do so. This was due in part to our having gotten off to a slow start,
but it was also due to the complexity of your proposal, which really consisted of a great many separate rule changes united by a central theme. Consequently, after voting to reject your proposal as an integrated whole in April, 2012, it took us many more
months to wade through the many individual threads of your proposal and decide which ones we agreed with. In doing so, we discovered other things we wanted to change, though often not in the way you originally suggested.</font></div>
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<div><font class="x_Apple-style-span" face="Arial">In the attached document, I have used Track Changes to show all of the changes that resulted from consideration of your proposal. </font></div>
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<div><font class="x_Apple-style-span" face="Arial">From a philosophical perspective, I think the most important change--and the most relevant to your initial proposal--is the expansion of the definition of "species" in the glossary, with ramifications elsewhere
in the code, to include a broader range of views about the species category. The definition in the glossary now reads as follows: </font><span class="x_Apple-style-span" style="font-family:Arial">"<i>species</i>. This term is used both for a kind of biological
entity (for example, a population lineage segment) and for the lowest primary rank in traditional nomenclature (and thus also for any taxon assigned to that rank).<span style="">
</span>This code does not endorse any species concept nor provide rules for defining species names, but it uses species names governed by the rank-based codes to refer to taxa that are used as specifiers in definitions of clade names.<span style="">
</span>Article 21 provides guidelines for the use of species names governed by the rank-based codes in conjunction with clade names governed by this code."</span></div>
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<div><font class="x_Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Consideration of your proposal also resulted in many changes in Art. 11, regarding the use of species as specifiers, and in Art. 21, as well as scattered changes elsewhere in the code.</font></div>
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<div><font class="x_Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Although you are probably disappointed that your proposal as a whole was not adopted, I assure you that it was thoroughly considered and resulted in beneficial changes in the code.</font></div>
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<div><font class="x_Apple-style-span" face="Arial">With best regards,</font></div>
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