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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
<br>
Personally, I am very happy that Phil is willing to continue
to lead these discussions. He does it well, and I sure don't have
the time to do it; my responsibilities keep piling up, and I will
have to step down from some committees, I think (I don't
necessarily mean some in the ISPN). So while I intend to continue
serving the ISPN as best I can, I sure cannot take more
responsibilities now.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<br>
On 21/02/13 19:53, Cantino, Philip wrote:<br>
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<div style="">In the absence of a flood of volunteers (or any, for
that matter) to chair this committee, I am going to continue
acting as the de facto chairman. If anyone is uncomfortable
with this or with any aspect of how I am facilitating discussion
and calling votes, please do say so. The last thing I want to
do is be heavy handed in running the CPN, but I do want us to
continue moving forward steadily. There is a backlog of issues
to discuss and vote on.
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<div>Although not everyone has voted on Note 11.7.1, the outcome
is not in doubt, so I think we should move on. The vote is 9
in favor, 0 against, 1 declared abstention, and two members
who did not respond to the call for a vote. The new Note will
therefore be adopted.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I will soon send the CPN the next items for consideration.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Phil</div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
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<span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>From:
</b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">"Cantino, Philip" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a>><br>
</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>Date:
</b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">February 19, 2013 2:44:17 PM EST<br>
</span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-right:0px;
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px">
<span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>To:
</b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">Committee on Phylogenetic
Nomenclature <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>><br>
</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>Subject:
</b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Fwd: Vote requested on proposed
new Note 11.7.1</b><br>
</span></div>
<br>
<div>
<div style="">
<div>Dear CPN members,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nine of you have now voted (in some cases the
vote was sent just to me rather than to the
listserv). We have not yet heard from Jacques,
Nico, and David Hillis. If you plan to vote, please
do so by the end of the day tomorrow so we can move
on to other matters. Thank you.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Phil</div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
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<span style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>From: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">"Cantino, Philip" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a>><br>
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<span style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Date: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">February 18, 2013 11:12:35
AM EST<br>
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margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px">
<span style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>To: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">Committee on Phylogenetic
Nomenclature <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>><br>
</span></div>
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margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px">
<span style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Subject: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Fwd: Vote requested on
proposed new Note 11.7.1</b><br>
</span></div>
<br>
<div>
<div style="">Only two CPN members have voted
on this since Friday--five total so far. I
hope the other seven of you will vote soon.
There is another item of business from our
discussions last year that I'd like to
return to as soon as we complete this vote.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Phil</div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
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<span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>From: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">"Cantino,
Philip" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a>><br>
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<span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Date: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">February 15,
2013 11:08:31 AM EST<br>
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<span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>To: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">Committee on
Phylogenetic Nomenclature <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>><br>
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<span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Subject: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Vote
requested on proposed new Note
11.7.1</b><br>
</span></div>
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<div>
<div style="">
<div>Dear CPN members,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>No one raised any concerns
about the proposed new Note that
I sent you a week ago (it is
attached again to this message).
Michel and David M. have
already said that the proposal
is fine with them. Everyone
else, please send your vote to
approve or reject this new Note.
It would be helpful if you
would vote by Monday.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Phil</div>
<div><br>
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<span
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style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">"Cantino,
Philip" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a>><br>
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<span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Date:
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style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">February
8, 2013 2:48:09 PM EST<br>
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<span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>To: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">Committee
on Phylogenetic
Nomenclature <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>><br>
</span></div>
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<span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Bcc:
</b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium">"Cantino,
Philip" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a>><br>
</span></div>
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<span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>Subject:
</b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';
font-size:medium"><b>proposed
new Note 11.7.1</b><br>
</span></div>
<br>
<div>
<div style="">
<p
class="x_x_x_x_x_MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none">Dear CPN members,</p>
<div>Although the
chairmanship of this
committee isn't settled
yet, I will continue for
now as de facto
chairperson and send you
the next item for
discussion. I hope
everyone--and
particularly the three
new members--had a
chance to read the
chronology I sent last
Friday. No one
contacted me with any
questions, which I
suppose is good news
(though it could just
mean that no one read
it).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>At the end of the
chronology was a list of
three items the CPN
still needs to consider
before we are done with
the revisions that were
spurred by the CBM
proposal regarding
species. Here is the
first of them.</div>
<p
class="x_x_x_x_x_MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none">The addition of a new Note 11.7.1 was
stimulated by a point
made by David Marjanovic
in January, when we were
discussing the whole set
of changes on Article
11.<span style=""> Bear
in mind that the
article this refers to
is not Art. 11.7 on
the current (online)
version of the code
(version 4c), but
rather the new Art.
11.7 that the CPN
approved on January
22. Both the newly
approved Art. 11.7 and
the proposed Note
11.7.1 are included in
the attached document.</span></p>
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<p
class="x_x_x_x_x_MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none">Here is the relevant email exchange on the
listserv concerning
Article 11.7, and ending
with a suggestion that a
new note is needed:</p>
<p
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style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"> </span>Marjanovic:
These proposals are
probably good enough in
practice. The only
possible exception is in
the proposed Art. 11.7:
whether a specimen
"cannot be referred to a
named species" will
sometimes, perhaps
often, depend on the
species criteria. What
do you all think?</p>
<p
class="x_x_x_x_x_MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"> </span>Cantino:
When faced with the
situation David
describes, many (perhaps
most) systematists who
wanted to name a clade
with the new specimen as
a specifier would either
assign it to the
previously named species
or name a new species
with that specimen as a
type. In either case,
the type would be used
as a specifier. If the
researcher thinks the
specimen does not belong
to any previously
described species but
there is some reason not
to describe a new
species based on it,
then this is one of the
situations where it
would be acceptable to
use a non-type as a
specifier. In other
words, the rule is
working appropriately in
this situation.</p>
<p
class="x_x_x_x_x_MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"> </span>Marjanovic:
So it's up to the author
of the clade name, and
their decision can't be
challenged later on the
grounds that the
specifier is deemed (by
the challenger) to
belong to a named
species? If so, that's
fine, but it should be
spelled out in a note.</p>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let's give ourselves
a week to think about
this. If you have
comments, please send
them to the listserv
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>. If
there is no discussion,
I'll call for a vote
next Friday (unless
someone else agrees to
chair the CPN, in which
case the timing of the
discussion and vote will
pass to him or her).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Phil</div>
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