<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>The note looks o.k. to me.</div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><br><div><div>On Feb 18, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Brian Andres wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Fine by me as well.<div><br></div><div>-Brian</div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Michel Laurin <<a href="mailto:michel.laurin@upmc.fr">michel.laurin@upmc.fr</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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On 08/02/13 20:48, Cantino, Philip wrote:<br>
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<div>Although the chairmanship of this committee isn't settled
yet, I will continue for now as de facto chairperson and send
you the next item for discussion. I hope everyone--and
particularly the three new members--had a chance to read the
chronology I sent last Friday. No one contacted me with any
questions, which I suppose is good news (though it could just
mean that no one read it).</div>
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<div>At the end of the chronology was a list of three items the
CPN still needs to consider before we are done with the
revisions that were spurred by the CBM proposal regarding
species. Here is the first of them.</div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">The addition
of a new Note 11.7.1 was stimulated by a point made by David
Marjanovic in January, when we were discussing the whole set
of changes on Article 11.<span style=""> Bear in mind that
the article this refers to is not Art. 11.7 on the current
(online) version of the code (version 4c), but rather the
new Art. 11.7 that the CPN approved on January 22. Both the
newly approved Art. 11.7 and the proposed Note 11.7.1 are
included in the attached document.</span></p><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">----------------------------------------------</p><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Here is the
relevant email exchange on the listserv concerning Article
11.7, and ending with a suggestion that a new note is needed:</p><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"> </span>Marjanovic: These
proposals are probably good enough in practice. The only
possible exception is in the proposed Art. 11.7: whether a
specimen "cannot be referred to a named species" will
sometimes, perhaps often, depend on the species criteria. What
do you all think?</p><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"> </span>Cantino: When faced
with the situation David describes, many (perhaps most)
systematists who wanted to name a clade with the new specimen
as a specifier would either assign it to the previously named
species or name a new species with that specimen as a type.
In either case, the type would be used as a specifier. If
the researcher thinks the specimen does not belong to any
previously described species but there is some reason not to
describe a new species based on it, then this is one of the
situations where it would be acceptable to use a non-type as a
specifier. In other words, the rule is working appropriately
in this situation.</p><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"> </span>Marjanovic: So it's up
to the author of the clade name, and their decision can't be
challenged later on the grounds that the specifier is deemed
(by the challenger) to belong to a named species? If so,
that's fine, but it should be spelled out in a note.</p>
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<div>Let's give ourselves a week to think about this. If you
have comments, please send them to the listserv <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>.
If there is no discussion, I'll call for a vote next Friday
(unless someone else agrees to chair the CPN, in which case
the timing of the discussion and vote will pass to him or
her).</div>
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