[CPN] Rec. 21.3A

[Kevin Padian]

me too -- kp


> I vote yes.  seems simple enough.
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> On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Cantino, Philip wrote:
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>> Dear CPN members,
>>
>> On Monday, while voting on the changes in Art. 21, Andy raised "a minor
>> quibble" about Rec. 21.3A (that part of his message is copied below).
>> Kevin and I agree with him and have drafted the attached proposed change
>> in Rec. 21.3A and Note 21.3A.1.  Because the text we used as a starting
>> point already includes changes that were approved this week by the CPN
>> (shown with boldface and strikethrough font), we used Track Changes to
>> show the new proposed revisions.  In addition to adopting Andy's
>> suggestion, we changed the symbol designating established clade names
>> from the copyright symbol © to [P] for consistency with Rec. 6.1B,
>> Example 1.  However, we used [nP] instead of [R], even though the latter
>> is used in Rec. 6.1B Example 1 to indicate names governed by rank-based
>> codes, because in Rec. 21.3A, [nP] signifies something different--it
>> indicates that the name is not an established clade name, regardless
>> whether it is governed by the rank-based codes.
>>
>> If the CPN approves these revisions, we will make corresponding changes
>> throughout Art. 21 in the symbols used to indicate whether or not a name
>> is an established clade name.
>>
>> Although I generally prefer that the CPN address one issue at a time,
>> this one seems sufficiently simple, and hopefully uncontroversial, that
>> I am going to ask for discussion (if any) on it at the same time as you
>> are considering the deletion of Note 13.2.2, which I sent you yesterday.
>>
>> If discussion is minimal or seems to have ended, I will call for a vote
>> on both questions next Tuesday.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Frank Anderson wrote:
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>>> Minor quibble -- I find it a bit odd that after Recommendation 21.3A,
>>> we give two examples -- one in which we use (C) to indicate a name is
>>> an established clade name (while leaving the (C) off means it isn't
>>> established) or (R) to indicate that is not an established clade name
>>> (while leaving the (R) off means that it is established) -- but then
>>> add a note to the effect that it might be better to use both (C) and
>>> (R), just to avoid ambiguity.  Why not just have one example in which
>>> both (C) and (R) are used as described in Examples 1 and 2 (to denote
>>> that something is or is not an established clade name, respectively)
>>> and have a note that says something to the effect of "But if you really
>>> want to just denote one type of name with a symbol and denote the other
>>> type by just not using that symbol, you can do that, too".  It seems we
>>> have a clear preference here to use both (C) and (R) (or some
>>> equivalent convention)...why not use that as the example?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andy
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