[CPN] CPN Digest, Vol 16, Issue 7

Mon Nov 5 12:51:32 EST 2012

I vote in favor of the proposed changes.

Yours
Jacques

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>     1. Re: PLEASE VOTE on CBM-related proposals (Walter Joyce)
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> From: Walter Joyce <walter.g.joyce at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CPN] PLEASE VOTE on CBM-related proposals
> To: "Cantino, Philip" <cantino at ohio.edu>, cpn at listserv.ohio.edu
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> I also vote in favor of the proposed changes.
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> All the best,
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> Walter
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> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Cantino, Philip <cantino at ohio.edu> wrote:
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>>   Dear CPN members,
>>
>>   Only five of us have voted on the set of proposed changes I sent the
>> listserv on Monday (attached again to this message).  I suggested today as
>> the deadline, but since less than half the committee has voted, this was
>> clearly insufficient time.  Please send your vote by next Tuesday (Nov. 6),
>> election day here in the U.S.  The following people have NOT yet voted:
>> Anderson, Andres, Gauthier, Joyce, Marjanovic, Olmstead, and Tank.
>>
>>   Phil
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>   *From: *"Cantino, Philip" <cantino at ohio.edu>
>>   *Date: *October 29, 2012 11:19:46 AM EDT
>>   *To: *Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature <cpn at listserv.ohio.edu>
>>   *Subject: **Re: [CPN] next set of CBM-related proposals*
>>
>>   Folks,
>>
>> This is a worthwhile discussion that should definitely be continued, but I
>> realize now that I made a mistake in even including the glossary definition
>> of Taxon in this round of voting.  This was the one entry in David's Sept.
>> 29 set of comments that I suggested we postpone because it will take a
>> while to work through the many uses of the term "taxon" in the code.  In my
>> Oct. 24 message in which I inserted replies to David's comments, I noted
>> that we agreed to defer voting on the glossary definition of Taxon---but I
>> unfortunately forgot to remove this item from the list of changes that we
>> are voting on right now.  My apologies for the confusion!
>>
>> The attached document is identical to the one I sent you on Friday except
>> that I have deleted the glossary definition of Taxon as one that we are
>> voting on at this time.  I am not trying to suppress discussion of this
>> item.  We will return to this and related changes in the code (and also
>> revision of Art. 21), but after many months of discussion, I think it is
>> best that we vote on the several changes that no one has expressed
>> disagreement about.
>>
>> I suggested on Friday that we call a vote on this set of changes today if
>> there were no comments by Sunday and if no one objected to this schedule.
>> No one has objected to the schedule, and the only comments are on the
>> glossary definition of Taxon, so let's please vote on the other changes
>> (attached).  Please send your vote to this listserv by this Friday (Nov.
>> 2).  [If someone feels this is insufficient time in which to vote, please
>> say so, but we have been discussing the CBM proposal for months.]
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:56 AM, de Queiroz, Kevin wrote:
>>
>>> When it comes to the definition of "clade", it's a bit over-simplified
>> to declare that other people are simply wrong.  They would argue that the
>> definition of "clade" is "an ancestral _species_ and all of its
>> descendants".  Moreover, some of them might also argue that it is useful to
>> distinguish terminologically between groups composed of an ancestor and all
>> of its descendants that conform (more or less) to a nested hierarchical
>> pattern (species, uniparental organisms) and those that do not (biparental
>> organisms).
>>> Kevin
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: cpn-bounces at listserv.ohio.edu [cpn-bounces at listserv.ohio.edu] On
>> Behalf Of David Marjanovic [david.marjanovic at gmx.at]
>>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 1:29 AM
>>> To: Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature
>>> Subject: Re: [CPN] next set of CBM-related proposals
>>>
>>>> I do not favor Mike's proposed  revision (of the definition of
>>>> "taxon") for the following reason: some people view clades/higher
>>>> taxa not as monophyletic groups of organisms but as monophyletic
>>>> groups of species.
>>> They're wrong. "Clade" = "an ancestor and all its descendants", even if
>>> that's a small part of a species or partially overlaps with one or
>>> several species. The PhyloCode allows the naming of LITUs, as it should.
>>>
>>> Besides, under most species concepts, not only are "speciation" and
>>> "cladogenesis" not synonyms*, but neither is even a subset of the other;
>>> inevitably, then, clades will usually contain entire species and parts
>>> of other species under those species concepts.
>>>
>>> * Although lots of people, even in the primary literature, use
>>> "speciation" when they mean "cladogenesis". It's as if almost nobody
>>> even knew the latter term.
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